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EXCLUSIVE: Gotham's Mazouz Teases His Transformation into the Dark Knight

December 24, 2018   |   Written by Meagan Damore

In the time of “Gotham’s” greatest need, a Dark Knight will rise. With the subtitle “Legend of the Dark Knight,” Season 5 promises Bruce Wayne’s long-awaited transformation into Batman. Seeing as the beleaguered city was cut off from the rest of the world in the Season 4 finale, “Gotham” is going to need all the help it can get, but it seems the young vigilante is more than up to the challenge.

Speaking to CBR during a set visit in October, “Gotham” star David Mazouz offered some insight into Bruce Wayne’s role in No Man’s Land. He teased his character’s dynamic with Cameron Monaghan’s Jeremiah, explained how their relationship reflects an iconic dynamic from “Batman” lore and hinted at a major showdown. He also discussed Bruce Wayne’s non-vigilante approach to helping Gotham, his evolving relationship with Jim Gordon and more.

CBR: What has it been like for you to step into Bruce’s role as the Dark Knight?

Mazouz: It’s been really fun! It’s been fun. Every time we do, we have another rehearsal. We actually have this really epic kind of iconic fight between Bruce and Jeremiah that we just rehearsed, coming up, and it’s so much fun. I mean, our stunt guys are so good. They always know exactly what they’re doing. I’m always so impressed. You know, they always kind of come in — before they show me the fight — and they’re always like, “You know, you can always change anything.” And I’m always like, “Okay, yeah, well, I have an idea of what I’d kind of like to see.” And then they hit it right on and it’s always perfect. It’s great. It’s great!

I mean, it’s kind of weird, stepping into this role, because it’s a whole other kind of role, in a way, and the scrutiny and pressure that comes with that has kind of been in the back of my mind, but also I’m mainly just excited. I’m excited for the fans of the show that have kind of stuck around five seasons waiting to see this. I’m excited for them to finally see it.

What’s the dynamic between Bruce and Jeremiah like this season?

It’s at its most adversarial ever — than it’s ever been. There’s going to be a big showdown between the two. Jeremiah is kind of snaking his head around corners for the first part of the season, and then he has his time to shine and, boy, is it climactic. Yeah, he really goes after Bruce, and he kind of brings this very Joker-esque dogma that he and Bruce are long-lost best friends and that one can’t survive without the other, which is obviously very reminiscent of the Joker’s relationship with Batman, and of course Bruce hates Jeremiah more than anything and Jeremiah thinks they’re best friends. But again, Bruce doesn’t kill so he can’t kill Jeremiah and Jeremiah loves Bruce so he can’t kill Bruce, so it’s kind of this, you know, unfortunately never-ending cycle of fighting between the two.

We know we’ll be seeing more of the Dark Knight, but what role does Bruce Wayne have in the world of No Man’s Land?

He’s fighting his way through it. Really. Yeah, we pick up at the beginning of the season and it’s three months after the events of Season 4 left off and he’s tired. He’s working to create a clean water system. He’s working to bring medicine to the people of Gotham. Food. And it’s hard! It’s all really hard. Every step that they take forward comes with three steps back… He’s kind of working very intimately with Gordon and the GCPD this season, and they just kind of keep working as hard as they can, just eyes forward.

Can you elaborate on that relationship between Gordon and Bruce?

Yeah! I think that’s kind of one of the most important dynamics of the season. It’s something that really gets highlighted. They really create this solid partnership, which I think that last scene at the end of Season 4 with them on the rooftop, kind of shaking hands with the light looking out onto the city, that’s kind of what that scene was alluding to. It was alluding to the fact that this relationship, this partnership will be stronger than ever and that this alliance will be more important than ever in the coming season. It does not disappoint that promise.

You know, Gordon kind of always saw Bruce as a kid and, even though Bruce was off doing his own thing, taking down his own bad guys, even until the end of Season 4 — until that scene, really — Gordon kind of dismissed Bruce’s involvement in any of Gordon’s work. However, now in Season 5, they finally kind of have reached this understanding and they’re working together and it’s very exciting.

Can you tease your favorite moment or scene from what you’ve filmed so far?

My favorite moment, I think… we haven’t actually shot it yet, but I will tease it. We’re shooting it next week, I think. It’s what I talked about before — it’s this very iconic fight between Bruce and Jeremiah, which is very reminiscent of other very famous incarnations of the Joker. So it’s very iconic and I’m very excited to do it.

Airing Thursdays at 8 p.m. ET/PT on Fox, “Gotham” stars Ben McKenzie as James Gordon, Donal Logue as Harvey Bullock, David Mazouz as Bruce Wayne, Robin Lord Taylor as Penguin, Camren Bicondova as Selina Kyle, Erin Richards as Barbara Kean and Sean Pertwee as Alfred Pennyworth. The fifth and final season is scheduled to premiere on January 3.


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